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Poster: brewster Date: Apr 12, 2009 7:08pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away

please be more clear as to why.

thank you.

-brewster

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Poster: admkrk Date: Apr 24, 2009 11:51pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away

i think i can speak for many people in replying that while ftp might be ancient, so are we. i'll have to give dta a chance before i can complain further but, and i'm certainly no wizard, how is it more complicated to maintain ftp uploads and not downloads? also if i can't upload by ftp anymore, how am i supposed to do it? i honestly don't understand how you can simplify anything by providing one way ftp. that sounds more complicated to me.

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Poster: brewster Date: Apr 25, 2009 12:52pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away


It does simplify configuration and security management, but you have a point about maintaining it only one way.

We are in test of an HTTP uploader system that is really smooth that we would like to release to a wider group in a week or so.

So we hope that the http download, which is what most people do, will be at least not too painful a switch.

-brewster

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Poster: admkrk Date: Apr 25, 2009 2:35pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away

so, will this new upload system be something else i have to install or will it be built-in?

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Poster: brewster Date: Apr 25, 2009 2:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away

it will all be easy and built in.

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Poster: admkrk Date: Apr 25, 2009 2:41pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away

that sounds grate.

i'm trying to figure out how dta works atm. hopefully it will be simple enough once i learn how it works.

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Poster: AnnaN Date: May 5, 2009 1:37pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away

The new (beta) upload tool is available! Please see the updated info at http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Uploading_Content

Also now available, new options for managing items you've uploaded:
How can I make changes to my item?
http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#262

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Poster: Stucco Date: May 27, 2009 6:49am
Forum: etree Subject: New upload tool

I have an automated upload system using the old FTP method. Anyone have any suggestions how to automate uploads with this new share button? My FTP solution uses PHP and a cron job, watching a folder for submissions, and meta info from the file name.

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Poster: Andrew Armstrong Date: May 9, 2009 6:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: FTP read-access is going away

I think the removal of FTP wouldn't be so bad, if it wasn't that the HTTP downloads are so malformed - here's an example:

http://www.archive.org/details/E3_2006_United_Games

A large, multi-part sequential video film. The problem with the HTTP side is that all the derivatives are on the same lists as the normal, higher quality files (which in this excellent case are higher quality but not that much bigger!). Selecting them one at a time would take a rather long time. This isn't the worst example - I am thinking if it were a set of MP4 files (there are some I have uploaded which are), there would be very similarly named derivatives (with the same filetype) making some download managers still need to you click a hundred times to deselect the ones which have the additional _512kb postfix.

There are also times where multiple copies of a file at different qualities are uploaded, or even sometimes video files (or extra files) the archive doesn't recognise and show on the front page of items - which are only visible in the "All HTTP files" option, making it more difficult to get the complete set of files off that main details page (When I did say this to Tracey, it was a whitelist of shown files, which is somewhat annoying - for instance, BIK files - a common videogame original video format, isn't recognised).

So, maybe put up some instructions in the out of date FAQ about this? Suggest using plugins - FlashGet+Download Manager, DownloadThemAll, and show how to select all the correct full files. I actually intend to do some tutorials for uploading at some point, maybe I'll do a few for this too...

I am not wholly against removing a standard such as this, but FTP is also much more reliable then HTTP - if you need to go through the front end (which sometimes crashes/is unavailable), at least don't remove direct links to the folder contents such as this page for that item ("All HTTP files"):

http://ia311228.us.archive.org/1/items/E3_2006_United_Games/

(Perhaps improve this to allow each of the columns to be sortable - this would imitate some of the useful FTP things, and make it even easier to download all the right files - ordering by date here means you can have the newer metadata and derivatives at the bottom).

Perhaps a link somewhere to a list of "original files" would also help download managers too - or make it Javascript and affect the "Individual Files" section of items, to remove all the derivatives from being shown :D

Or, for instance, the file list on the left of video entries has so many derivatives (which are in the main file list which has names anyway) perhaps this column could be just "Original files", since derivatives are already downloadable from the centre column (as for texts, music, software, not sure how these are managed).

Also, since there are FTP uploads (which I never see as going away, web browsers simply can't deal well with uploading files!), I guess read only would always be technically possible. Not a bad thing to remove it, like I said, just simplifying things too much removes some of the useful aspects.

Maybe I should go make a FF plugin which can interface with some download manager, so you can input a identifier and it'll go and find the original files from that entry to download...hehe, if only I had the time.

Hope this feedback is useful, email me if I can help in any way :) I do see FTP downloads still as useful, as others have pointed out, then some other methods - but this is obvious, it is not HTTP so will be different in some ways.